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Questions about the BatchPCB service

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By sparky
#7706
Howdy all,

So if you haven't been reading the other couple postings, the new website http://www.batchpcb.com is nearly up and functional. You can start bouncing designs off the site. Martyn has done some magic with the interface to make things as painless as possible on everyone.

No one has successfully crashed the DRC bot yet, but it may return some funny errors. Please post any thoughts/oddities found here.

We know the size checker is a bit off, but it works most the time.

We know the DRC violations occur often with ground pours - please modify your DRC settings until you can squeek it by.

-Nathan
Last edited by sparky on Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
By Philba
#7709
Overall, it looks like you guys are getting it together. It looks good.

At this point, I''m not sure where I should post questions/issues/thoughts so here it is...

- Could you explain how you are going to do size calculations? I submitted a board that was a touch under 5 square inches but with the known area checking, it's a bit too small. Without adding a new gerber layer, I really think putting the outline in a silk layer is the cleanest approach. silk_gen would need to be modified (or just make it a manual requirement). Another approach would be to use a seperate outline gerber (gerbmerge comes with an eagle cam job that does this) which is pretty clean.
[edit] just read more on this farther down. I guess a full scan of all layers would work but it seems like it would still be error prone. [/edit]

- My board passed DRC but the cost was $12.50. I like that but it doesn't jibe with what I've been reading here. Not that I WANT to pay you more money...

- I'm a little unclear on the digits format for the drill file. I think I'm ok (DRC pass). However, I am outputting 2.4 and I thought you all were expecting 2.3. I'm using eagle 4.15 with stock settings (resx and resy is 10000). If this is figured out by the bot, good job!

Phil
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By sparky
#7717
Board size now checks top copper, bottom copper, top overlay, bottom overlay, keep out layers. I think the size will work much better now. I am getting to the point where I really like the PCB size checker. If you have a sprite anywhere, it will pick it up as a border. I would recommend adding a pcb board shape using a silkscreen layer or forcing the dimensional layer into some sort of a keepout layer - I speak Protel, so I'm not entirely sure how Eagle works with dimensional layers or keep out layers...

PCB checkout weight fixed. We may have to tweak it a few ounces, but this is pretty arbitrary down the road stuff.

PCB size and cost preview on pages 2 and 3.

Form 2 now autofills for protel file extensions (eagle already supported).

-Nathan
By Caffeine
#7725
sparky wrote:Form 2 now autofills for protel file extensions (eagle already supported).

-Nathan
Excellent!

Now to see if my board still costs $38 million :D
By mcollas
#7737
The old system involved a $5.00/in charge for new users, but a $2.50/in charge once users had demonstrated that they were able to submit boards without any technical problems. Is there any chance of this kind of deal coming back?

Perhaps a waiver of the $10 setup fee for users who can demonstrate that they can order boards without any kind of unnecessary manual interaction - no emails/phone calls etc.?

Although $10 doesn't sound like it should be a big deal, it does change the economics of the service. It means that it only makes sense for very small orders, because for larger orders alternatives like Olimex are considerably cheaper. Including postage and other fees, US$42 will get me 25 sq. in. at Olimex (although without all the same features) compared to 10 sq. in. at SparkFun.

I think that supporting users who would like to order a small board is a great service so I'm very glad to see it continue in almost any form. But larger orders or repeat orders from (hassle-free) customers are probably good business, so perhaps they're worth encouraging somehow?

Michael
By pittuck
#7739
perhaps a 'gold service'? lol, but would need to get batchpcb working first!
By Caffeine
#7740
I see that it's accepting orders now!

It also appears to be handling my order better, not $38 million, but $40 now, which will fit on my credit card.

I won't be ordering that particular board though, I've already ordered it from olimex and I'll need to make a few changes once I get it and play around with it for a while.

Good to see it up and running though!
By Caffeine
#7741
Just got:
Zip File Format Selector (Step 2 of 3)

Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/.sites/133/site55/web/drc_function_size.php on line 151
When uploading a new board (Dakiller_1)
By pittuck
#7742
hehe

I TOLD U SO! lol

its cause the overlays and silkscreens are being used in size calculations -> too much maths for a scripting language...

I will have a look @ the algorithm and perhaps remove bottom overlays / silks from the scaning.
By Caffeine
#7743
How about this one:
Zip File Format Selector (Step 2 of 3)

Warning: rename(/home/.sites/133/site55/zips/1131349764/Backup/,/home/.sites/133/site55/zips/1131349764/Backup/) [function.rename]: No such file or directory in /home/.sites/133/site55/web/zipnamer.php on line 616
Error : PCLZIP_ERR_MISSING_FILE (-4) : File '/home/.sites/133/site55/zips/1131349764/Backup/' does not exists
By pittuck
#7745
that might be a file space error, not sure on size of HD! its on the list of problems
By Caffeine
#7746
Just uploaded one called 'MP3 Player' (pcb.zip)

It's a set of gerbers downloaded from somewhere, made with proteus apparently.

The drill file didn't work properly, and the board size has come up as -10in x -10in.
By anton
#7747
Thank you Sparkfun for such a great site. I will soon be ordering my first board. I just have one question:

What images should i see in the e-mail that is send to me. I can only see the copper solder and copper component sides.

Is this correct or sould i be able to see the silkscreening layer also? I'm using Eagle 4.14.

I imported the files with VieMate and the silkscreen layer looked ok.

Thank You
Anton
By Caffeine
#7758
anton wrote:Thank you Sparkfun for such a great site. I will soon be ordering my first board. I just have one question:

What images should i see in the e-mail that is send to me. I can only see the copper solder and copper component sides.

Is this correct or sould i be able to see the silkscreening layer also? I'm using Eagle 4.14.

I imported the files with VieMate and the silkscreen layer looked ok.

Thank You
Anton
That's correct. If there had been a DRC problem they would have been highlighted in yellow on those images.
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By roach
#7760
Hi Guys! Site looks great, and I was about to order my boards, but it seems no matter what shipping method I choose, I end up with "Global Express Guaranteed Document Service", for $50. Paying $15 for my boards, that I like. Dumping $50 for shipping, not so much... Can't you just shove 'em in an envelope and cross your fingers?

[edit] Board name was roach200511041516, in case it helps[/edit]